The scientists, headed by Doctor Julius Sanreso, welcomed the research findings and said that it would be in the interests of those who believe in such nonsense as organised religion or creationism to accept the fact that religious books were written by men as a control system.
“Just think for one second, if ‘God’ or a ‘messenger of God’ had written that particular religious book/bible, how come the writings only occur within a very limited period in human history? Also, consider the fact, that a human writing on a piece of paper, or a few pieces of paper, is not the word of ‘God’. If they were really written by a universal God or entity, the books would not be limited to some pre-medievel costume drama but would encompass all universality, history, the future and science. Language is something created by man, not an all-seeing, all encompassing entity. God would presumably be universal and timeless as well as all-knowing, as is the universe, therefore these man-written books and scriptures, are just that, man-written linguistically created nonsense used to control men and women thousands of years ago. Why would ‘God’ write anything anyway? One must consider the fact that, even now, there are religious zealots and ordinary people still entrenched in a control belief system that is so far removed from reality that it borders on madness. There is no rational or scientific way that organised religions can have a modicum of truth or factual reality because of the very reason that these books are entombed in the time that they were written. These books should therefore simply be viewed as limited parables and historical fiction, as well as a lesson in how millions of people can be so easily controlled.”
The research paper also came to the conclusion that reward/punishment religions, as control systems, were losing their grip on most of the population of the world and only a few die-hard fanatics and delusional maniacs were carrying on with the flame of idiocy.
“The game is up for all religions, how long can this sham carry on, with their ridiculous outdated ceremonies? The priests are deceivers, and they need to come up with some pretty radical solutions to their thousand year old magic trick. People aren’t as dumb or easily swayed as they used to be thousands of years ago, they actually have reasoning powers and can see through the utter nonsense of organised control systems like religion.”
The problem for the world’s political leaders, is that slowly, humans who were controlled for so many years by fictitious writings through generational brainwashing from infancy, may suddenly lose their controlled ‘faith’. This could be quite dangerous, because it would mean that these people would suddenly wake up and realise that they have been fooled for so long by being communally hypnotised.
“We must ensure that the people who have been fooled for so long by fictitious belief systems utilised to control humans do not get too angry when they realise that what they believe in is nonsense written by humans utilising human created language. This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth,” Dr Sanreso said.
Lets see. You are born under very harsh circumstances, with little access to food and all the essential vitamins. As a result you grow up with psychological problems etc. etc. and you commit sins unforgivable in religions like Islam. Do you think you burn in hell for ever as Islam says?
I think all religions are man-made and believable anymore.
What's scientific with this text? I can only see a fanatic belching the majority of the world population. All religions are living religions and millions of people can attest their transcendental experiences within an organized religious context. All of these testimonies are overlooked those a priori believing that there is no God. And all of this -certainly not scientifical- nonsense study persuades nobody, not even those atheists able to think rationally.
To add evidence from our days… yuri gagarin first guy to land on the moon had heard the Islam prayer from there….. Can science explain this??he didn't say he heard anceint phrases and weird sounds, he said only the prayer call….
5 years of what exactly? God nor the prophet put those words on the paper (talking about the sacred books Quran, bible, tawra) if you actually researched the material for 1 week you'd of figured out that in our religions words were passed to our prophets from god him self along with miracles that all nations witnessed, there were more than 20prophets that were sent everywhere challenging each culture with what they are well known for, Jesus with medicine (able to heal and bring the dead), Mohammad with poetry (no one could've make anything close to the way the Quran rhymes and people's hearts felt the words), Moses with magic ( 5 ancient magicians went on their knees admitting that he is a prophet even tho they keow they'd die for doing that)……. And much more…. We have our religions and we are blessed to be one of "Ahel al ketab" (people of the books) u guys better do something else before your lives run out, as for us we know what will happen in the future from our books from now………. Thank god for being born with a religion. You can't trust hemen with a nuclear missile….. Imagine the universe and it's balance…
We might be around my friend; in science; energy is renewable; so the energy that makes u and I alive will continue elsewhere and this is why we learn science and try our best in a sick world to progress because our energy; not our bodies will be there … I dont care to tell them "I told you so" latter; by being who I am I shall give birth to more energy and make mine science-oriented
pls it's only a film(the god's must be crazy).
The only word of god that is real was translated to the great prophet PBUH.
Jesus died for our sins so you should all be ashamed of yourselves for doubting him. When he comes back, you will all be left behind. Shame on you!!!
Thank God if the religious books are Man made why did they wasted their time research them. They should have proof their scientific ideas as Natural.
If religion was written by God how come he only speaks in old human dialects? If he was God should he not speak in all languages, all dialects. How come God does not speak now in the technological age? In theory God should know about technology and science too.
Don't you see that they want to be famous with that what they are doing , so if they are real scientists dhe believe in truth and not in famous , so they have no idea for themselves how the been created so how can they know about books of ALLAH…
Oh, tell me how it wrote about you air-condition that cools your lazy ass that does not want to read any other book except quran.
Science has advanced to the point where we can infer something about the entire universe. This has been a great challenge considering how unimaginably vast the universe is. The countless stars you see in the darkest sky constitute merely 3000 neighbors out of about 300,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy, and as many as 100,000,000,000 galaxies exist in the universe. Humans have always wondered: Has the universe always existed like we see it now, or did it somehow start all of a sudden? In the beginning of this past century, we found out in amazement that the entire universe is expanding. This led physicists to deduce that the universe started out in the finite past with a minuscule size. Realizing that the universe had a beginning, and awed by its vastness and its creations, people have asked: How did the universe begin? After all, we are here to be amazed by it because the universe eventually created lives like us. Now, after decades of observing and thinking, we have come to answer confidently the question of the origin of our universe… with what is known as the "big bang".
In 1929, Edwin Hubble discovered that farther galaxies are going away from us at higher speeds, proportional to their distance. In other words, the spectra of more distant galaxies had higher redshifts. From distant galaxies, light takes millions or even billions of years to reach us. This means we are seeing an image from millions or billions of years ago. In redshift, the spectrum is shifted from shorter wavelength to longer wavelength as the light travels from the galaxy to us. This increase in wavelength is due to expansion of the very fabric of space itself over the years that the light was traveling. If the wavelength had doubled, space must have expanded by a factor of two. Thus, Hubble's discovery was that this expansion factor was roughly proportional to the distance light traveled, or equivalently, to how far back in time you looked. This means that the universe was smaller and smaller earlier and earlier. The universe has been expanding.
The big bang, however, is merely a global description of the origin of the universe. Today, particle physicists have consistent theories about the history of the universe down to only a trillionth of a second after its birth or even earlier. They can test their theories experimentally with particle accelerators that can simulate events involving enormous energies similar to the condition at the beginning. To learn more about how exactly the universe began, physicists must develop a theory that works at even earlier times after the big bang. Such theory must combine both the general relativity (because of the extreme gravitational field at the beginning) and quantum mechanics (because of the extreme compactness of the universe at the beginning). The goal of physics today is to develop this quantum theory of gravity so that we may one day understand what exactly happened around the moment of the big bang to get the universe started.
more here http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~yukimoon/BigBang/BigBang.htm
Please also do your own research.. :-)))
Atheists:
The world came from nothing for no reason because it did.
Sounds a lot like the religions they're trying to disprove.
Are we really this conceited that we believe we can know the unknowable?
That is the great question from both sides, yes? You can follow the atheist path of the big bang (or as I like it the big pinball game). What chain of events put our universes existence into motion? Do black holes both create and destroy universes? Or god created everything, then what created god, then back and back and back. Humans must have a starting point. Nothingness is usually the beginning, especially for artists. My grandmother was convinced her god was a restless artist. We cannot know, only hope to get close to an answer. Even with empirical evidence in god, I have zero interest in worship. I am not built for following a fumbling deity. Actually, I am so suspect of other’s motivations, I wouldn’t follow a kick@$$ god.
I mean, I get it, my hub is a believer, non religious. Humans are so conceited they need to think their existence will extend into an after life. I figure F it. I didn’t know or care before birth, imagine the same will apply to death.
The debate is heated because we do not like being wrong. Maybe a religious person could give me insight on why you cling so tightly to things only imagined. If I said Zeus is my almighty god, you’d probably think I needed prescription medication. Humans have made up these comforts in the sky FOREVER. How can so many in the 21st century be desperate for reassurance? What is wrong with being alone? Why can’t you rely on your intellect for moral decisions (humans 1 year are proven to chose right over wrong)? I’m quite nervous so many need a crutch to get through life. What are you without a “daddy” compass?
Sorry to go on so long and outside your original question. I think the conversation needs to be geared more toward interest, compassion, and understanding. From an A’s standpoint, it can be maddening to have someone speak about things which cannot be felt by the hard senses. We are NOT likely tamed by the bible, as it was written by man. Man is infinitely fallible. I like the telephone analogy. The original good book probably intended to guide and comfort folks in troubled times. I read somewhere about many chapters being children’s stories and lessons, yet being taken as commandments. The parts about stoning and fathers lying with sons and daughters has me stumped. I have no idea why that stuff was included. Perhaps 2,000 years ago pedophilia/incest was the norm? Anyone?
These scientists are the face of the devil. Lucifer makes them write these terrible things against the word of God. You will burn in the fires of hell for your blasphemy and apostate demonic words. We must pray for your souls which have been possessed by evil. May you find salvation although the eternal fire where you will burn for these calamitous words you have written here are surefire proof that the devil is here on earth working against the purity of our Lord.
Matthew 12:31-32
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Attacking believers and calling them names, publishing anti-religion articles is same as one religion attacking the other as false and creating rage and disharmony. It is almost like atheism/agnosticism becoming a new "RELIGION" in itself behaving this way, the religion of "non belief" or of "only blieving in what science is capable of proving at this time" (while seeing is no believing in the first place), where criticizing the bad effects of religions becomes hypocritical. Because the new religion of non belief is demonstrating the very same undesirable effects of attack and judgment that they criticize in religions.
It is all nonsense. The only truth lies in letting all judgments go and not telling another how to be. And if you desire to make ANY positive changes in the people and world around you, lead by example. And "Be the change you want to see" in this world.
if you scientist want to learn about God/Allah then research on The Holly Quran, there you will find past,present and future, scientis invent those things now were told in Quran 1400years ago. so learn foolish scientis first learn
its up two a individual if they believe or dont and it makes no difference if its made up or not its all good stuff and the words are comforting and its good to have a belief it get you out of bed each day
Delay accepted. Apologies offered for slow post reaction. Moderated sites are often targeted for holding back post they do not wish to post. You have proven not to be situated in that category.
Thanks,
Dave
and may the flying spaghetti monster pray for your soul too
This sites must be moderated by an Atheist. My post made more than an hour ago was not posted. There must be fear in the mind of this Atheist moderator, else he would put my post through.
Dave
Supernatural Sun and Spot Granulation Processes,
David D. Stacey, Private Researcher,
Glen Allen, VA.
On July 5, 1885, a spectroheliographic image was taken of the photosphere that demonstrated the best image taken as of that early date. That image was published in 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953. The image is clear enough where one may easily see the photospheric convection granulation transformation into adult extraterrestrial entities on the photosphere at a temperature near 6,000K (abiogenetic). The estimated time of transformation into entity was submitted by K O Kiepenheuer, 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953; at 3 minutes for granule transformation. The entities were identified as faculae until K O Kiepenheuer, published in his lecture and included the 1923 Greenwich Observers conclusions identifying photospheric faculae as entities. 'The Sun,' G P Kuiper, editor, 1953, page 369, para. 14.
Published by K O Kiepenheuer, 'The Sun,' Kuiper editor, 1953 and written by the Greenwich Observers, 'The Sun,' Kuiper, editor, 1953. identified faculae entities are always present surrounding spot formations. The spot entities are in place to effect removal of horses from the spot. The Spot process is akin to the supernatural granulation transformation of faculae, but comes from the darker sun spot pool with an average temperatures near 4,000K, assisted for removal by the entities surrounding the Spot there. As horses, 'The Sun,' Kuiper, editor, 1953, called 'leaders' are retrieved from the spot with the assistance of the faculae entities, they are quickly matched with an entity rider. In some cases when entity is matched by horse, a surge prominence or self ability to fly moves them into the lower Corona. Both faculae entities and horses move into the lower Corona by self flight capability, or by surge prominences; magnetic waves to which they may connect and ride into the Corona. Loop flares are generated from the area of the spots. General prominence waves are generated from the area where entities reside. The creation processes are supernatural and have not been written to equation.
From the Corona, the entities with or without horse accompaniment move through the Galaxy and Solar System. The entities are provided, internally, with magnetic electrical resonance abilities that may produce high or low temperatures. Theory indicates the excessive heat found in the Corona may be generated by the numerous entities found there, having arrived by riding a magnetic wave prominence or self flight into the lower Corona. The entities demonstrate supernatural abilities.
The entities have shown an ability to provide a self induced internal light that will project a beam. Then, too, they have shown an ability with groups to form a biological craft for flight. Each individual entity exerts the ability of flight without craft of any type. In groups the entities join arms or hands, after which they probably exert a magnetic electrical resonance which joins the entities into a biological craft for flight, a supernatural ability demonstrated.
Found within the atmosphere of Earth, the entity's survive well and may not have a need for solid food sources. The entities and horses can and have traveled to the Earth's surface and returned to their atmosphere home around Earth, demonstrating a power over Earth's gravity (photograph).
Showing signs of biological internal magnetic/electric resonance allows them to defy Earth's gravitational pull. The propagation/creation of Celestial horses and Celestial Entities creation is a clue from where some of the Corona heat is generated. The entities show a supernatural control of the heat factor on the photosphere.
References:
The sun, 1953, G P Kuiper, editor Photographs
1923 Greenwich observers Publication, E W Maunder, Photosphere Activity
NASA and JPL images published in on-line journals
L H Strous, et all, Phenomena in an emerging active region, para 2,2,4, 28 Feb., 1995
R Muller (Springer 1985) High Resolution in Solar Physics
K O Kiepenheuer, Sun Activity, Published, 1953, within The Sun, editor, G P Kuiper
Published photographs, Image 1898, photosphere, Annie Maunder published.
Sun spot image, JPL/NASA images
The bible is true because it says so in the bible. Brilliant!!
typical scare tactics to get people to believe in a thing that doesn't exist.
Regarding the last line of the above article which reads; "This could be dangerous for society, so we must either let them carry on believing their fiction or try to somehow support them when they realise the truth," Dr Sanreso said." People who have been programmed from birth with the idiosyncrasies of "beliefs" are extremely difficult to de-program because their narrow-band thinking is closed to any question. Unbelievably, the words of ancient men cannot be questioned either and if a doubt crept-in, it would be swiftly swept under God's carpet as part of things that a mere mortal could not possibly understand. In conclusion, the likelihood that believers will "realize the truth" is really quite unlikely because followers don't apply critical thinking but instead stubbornly rationalize their beliefs in the desperate hope of eternal life that ancient men said would be forth coming for those who believe in an invisible man (whose name varies depending on one’s brand of religion). So for believers, "realising the truth" is simply eclipsed by their unshakable belief in nonsense that contains no more substance than the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or the Santa Clause theory. To interfere with delusion is to risk violent reactions so the safest course is to keep well away from anyone infected with religion. For them, physics, science, carbon dating, biology, geology, astrophysics and astronomy (all of which are fact-based and rigorously tested) cannot be considered because… they interfere with "belief". As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water – but you can't make them drink it".
What the fuck are you talking about? I can't even take you seriously…If I were real, you wouldn't have been created mainly because of how narrow and close-minded you are. Most religious people are cowards and use god to explain the unexplainable, give it another century or two. Science will explain more in the future, besides..Religion is crumbling beneath you, there are more atheists/agnostics every year and less religious people. Kinda funny how you think you know how everything works because you were spoon-fed the bullshit when you were 3 years old and thus you think its the absolute like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I'm sorry to break it to you, but people are waking up from the stupidity…I feel bad for you, so close-minded. As the Great Soloman the Wise once said "Start with God – the first step in learning is bowing down to God; only fools thumb their noses at such wisdom and learning.". I shouldn't even be wasting my time on how idiotic and shallow you are. The bible hasn't been around forever, neither has Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism, or the word of God. I don't understand how you can't realize that science has already explained why so many animales are related to eachother…Same world…Same conditions (albeit though climate and vegetation do apply to the area)…Same atmosphere…came from the same single-celled organisms…I could go on and on but you religious zombies dont deserve that.
The 3 Abrahamic religions are a blight on humankind and will most likely lead to the end of the world as we know it. My only regret is I won't be around to say "see, I told you so". Also, notice the hateful comments and name calling directed at Atheists by "religious" people. Proof at how ineffective religion is in creating a better individual.
Truth or Lies or $$$ ?
The 21st May, 2011 – The Rapture fails to materialize.
The Bible gives mixed messages about whether the Earth will be destroyed;
2 Peter 3:10 states that "The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up,"
while Ecclesiastes1:4 states that "The earth shall abideth forever."
And another part of the confusion stems from contradictory Bible passages about when Jesus will return… Matthew 24:36 states explicitly that "Of that day and hour knoweth no one,
not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only," while
Matthew 16:28 clearly suggests that Jesus would return during this disciple's lifetime:
"There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death,
till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Meantime, google…..Apocalypse Not Now….. and RT: Apocalypse Not Now…..10 Failed Doomsday Predictions…..cult suicides…bishopAccountability.org…..judge refuses to drop charges against U.S. catholic bishop…..catholic church says child abuse cases rose in 2011….
…..Apocalypse Not Now: 2012 Doomsday Predictions Debunked by NASA
And here is a comment by Bishop Desmond Tutu – "When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray'. We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."
Such doomsday lies are normally spread by a religion.
Read some articles that in the US, some religious organisations rake in millions of $$$ last year.
In ancient times, many people believed that the earth was flat.
google…..shroud of turin (not to offend and say that it is a fake, it is now regarded as a controversy).
did you read those comments posted here yet ?
Please throw away your thesaurus
Your shallow argument reflects your low IQ.
The true "Jesus" who's real name is Jmmanuel. Meaning of life = Consciousness related evolution. Learning from mistakes, gaining knowledge, truth, wisdom. Creating peace, love, harmony, balance on the planet.
http://www.theyfly.com
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk
The Book of Mathew is based off of a book called Talmud Jmmanuel. Want proof? 2O years research on Talmud Jmmanuel comparing it to Matthew. http://www.tj.research.com
It is a sign of human weakness when religions and their false teachings are presented as instruments of what is creative, and when wisdom becomes unreal through this. Religions and politics of the Earth work together in these things and shrink from no intrigue-filled means at all in order to achieve their power-hungry goals.Thereby, false terrestrial religions are to name as the worst factors by which all reality and truth is denied and condemned. In this respect, the Earth must be described as a unique in all areas of the universe known to us, and on all worlds known to us, as a carrier of such degenerated unreal ideologies. Such insane ideologies and religions do not exist anywhere else as they rage here on this Earth. The terrestrial ideologies, and actual sects and religions in particular, as well as the terrestrial power-political machinations, have become a danger which spreads out slowly and fatally. Were it not enough that space-faring races, through the terrestrial ideological and religious insanity, already shifted three of their homeland planets into uproar, which then had to be brought back under control by outside powers, the Earth human also drives his world and the entire solar system dangerously close to destruction. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_1
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=religions
Are Earth's religions false?
Religion as the Earth human knows and pursues it, in the form of the adoration of a god, adoration of saints, and as faith in a god, is a horror to the Pleiadians. They consider this form of religion a blind faith based on cult activities, false teachings, lies, and other falsehoods. It is faith that can never be proven as true, and one which contradicts all the truthful and logical foundations of the Creative laws and commandments, and also defies intelligence. Religion embodies a deprivation of the spiritual freedom of the human being. Religion is also a brutal, criminal and exploitative enslavement of the human consciousness, reaching from total dependence, serfdom, and a lack of willpower all the way to uncontrolled fanaticism, mental illness, demonic obsession and utter idiocy.
The bible cannot possibly be the word of God alone simply because of its very content. Clearly history proves that the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten established the first attempt at monotheism, choosing much like the Jews and Muslims, one aspect/one god out of their pantheon of many.
Despite the short lived history of Akhenaten's lone sun worship, like all egyptian cults there was an established set of priests who would attempt to keep alive the beliefs. These mystery schools existed in Egypt and spread out across Western Asia and South East Europe as trade, science and philosophy were also shared.
Essentially the problem with the god of the jews and therefore the god of christians and muslims is that he is essentially one and the same. Beyond this the archaeological evidence shows us that prior to the Jews being monotheistic, they worshipped a variety of gods. That the god they now worship existed INSIDE the pantheon of gods they already had and not apart from it is historically damning beacuse it shows that they chose.
Figures such as Abraham also create their own problems with Abraham having his own debateable creation story. Abraham is merely another attempt by man to explain his origins appearing as a combination of Jesus and Adam. Despite the fact that all three monotheistic religions appear under his name as an umbrella term he is ascribed vastly different characteristics ranging from a bedouin farmer to a wealthy landowner. HIs wife Sarah is somehow a great beauty aged 65 and is expedited to the Pharaohs harem despite harems being more or less only related to the storing of women gained from political or financial transactions and treaties between government and other similar entities. Abraham and Sarah use the ruse of being siblings more than once.
The story of Abraham and Hagar appears to be written to include somehow more Egyptian characters into a narrative that glorifies the characters of Hebrews in the story – that in fact one of the largest agricultural success stories in antiquity was beholden to a single 'Jew' of questionable education, with success or failure based not off of scientific methods that existed at the time like nilometers but the say-so of a foreigner.
Later on Sarah gives birth in her 90's which also defies biology. The one thing that god has set in stone is a definite limit on the amount of potential births a woman can have over one lifetime. Is Sarah was infertile into old age she would have stopped menstruating like all women. Starting to menstruate would have been a miracle in itself but this is not mentionned in any canon.
In the period of antiquity in what is now the Holy Land we should see ample evidence that Jerusalem as capital of the United Monarchy was a substantial town, instead archaeological surveys clearly show that that is not the case. Instead it was a tiny hill town that only gained settlers who themselves were refugees from the north of the region such as Israel proper.
It was the conquest of the region by the Babylonians in and around the 6th century BC that caused the Jewish diasporas. This itself was the catalyst that produced the psychological need to create one all powerful god and also brought those in the diaspora into contact with other civilizations that had a saviour myth. Even so their most powerful God was still worshipped with a wife figure for a long time before being abandoned.
If we look further beyond bibles and religious books to older texts and myths, we can see that many if not all of the stories in the bible are replications of previous stories. Gilgamesh and Noah, Mises and Moses, Horus and Isis Mer and Jesus and the Virgin Mary. The very fact that the stories are similar is the smoking gun. In the same way it is not possible for popular composers of the past to time travel forwards to steal the work of Andrew Lloyd Webber, it is also not possible for creation myth and religious stories to have existed before those who wish to claim ownership of the today.
The whole reason why apologetics exists in the first place is because there is much to be corrected, defended and debated within all religions that conflicts with the reality of the situation we are suppsoed to live with.
The gospels themselves do not agree even as to where Jesus was born and where he lived afterwards. The gospels of Matthew and Luke say that Jesus was born in Bethlehem but the gospel of John says that he was born in Galilee. John also says that he was rejected by the Jews precisely because he was NOT born in Bethlehem.
I think we can all agree that birthdates need to be fixed for there to be some semblance of truth. Birthplaces at they very very least ought to be the same but they are not showing that Jesus cannot possibly be real if biblical scholarship is to be accepted as truth.
This is further compoundede by the fact that according to the Bible everybody knew that Jesus had been born, particularly as even King Herod directed the wise men to follow a star in the night sky. Luke says that Jesus was taken to the temple and imediately proclaimed to be the Messiah so it should have been no mystery to Herod. On the other hand Matthew says that Herod didn't find out for at least another two years or so; so again we have clear contradictions to a story that really ought to oly ave one version if it were to be true.
Furthermore Matthew say that Jesus was boen before Herod died which was in 4BC and of course that they fled to Egypt. Luke on the other hand says that Jesus was born in a census year 10 years after Herod's death. He also doesn't say they left for Egypt and in fact stayed in Nazareth the whole time.
On the other hand actual people who documented history such as Josephus mention nothing of Jesus. In the Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus literally lists the crimes of King Herod and doesn't mention the slaughter of the innocents in which Herod supposedly ordered the murder of all newborn babies in order to prevent the existence of any messiah character. This is surely a big deal to have occured and would have been somewhere near the top of the list of crimes but Josephus doesn't mention it because it never happened.
The authorship of all the gospels in highly questionable and only the most ignorant of Christians believes that they were written by Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
The four gopsels obviously represented competing schools of philosophy over the figure of Jesus. Their inclusion above all other stories merely exist because it was believed that Jesus ought to be portrayed as someone who really existed rather than the allegorical figures alluded to in the Gnostic gospels not included in the official canon. Portraying agreement of Jesus as a real person was certainly easier than agreeing his back story as so the easier of two tasks was accomplished. As the Gnostic gospels describe the same person but as an obvious fiction it is clear that it was DECIDED that Jesus should only be described as real as that is what makes the canon today.
Individuals such as Justin Martyr who wrote in Greek quotes heavily from the old testament but never once names Mark, MAtthew, Luke or John. On the other hand he argues with the Gnostic gospel authors about whether Jesus existed or not. The Gnostics were obviously aware that Jesus was not a historic figure and Justin's lack of knowledge or support from Mark, Matthew, Luke and John demonstrates that they weren't around before his death in 165BC.
Many apologists choose to include highly dubious sources as evidence of Jesus's existence such as Josephus in which he is made to say that Jesus was the Christ – which no card carrying Jew like Josephus would ever say. Josephus writes extensively about other radical movements like the Essenes but mentions next to nothing about Jesus's following or the apostle Paul who was supposedly executed by Nero as he was such a threat.
Out of Paul's numerous epistles only seven or so are asserted to be genuine by modern scholars; Timothy 1 and 2 , Collosians, Titus and so on are certainly not his work if he did exist and even then authorshp of 'genuine' epistles is asserted rather than outright proven.
Furthmore Paul's 'genuine' books begin at crucifixion and there is no mention of Jesus being from Nazareth, no mention of Pontius Pilate and certainly nothing about the gospels of Mark Matthew, Luke and John.
Paul is clearly a parody of the real Apollonius of Tyana who shares the exact same story only with a pre-christian bent.
Monotheism is a reaction the expanding knowledge of human beings at the time with science, astronomy and mathematics taking problems of existence and explanations out of the heavens and into the grasp of the non religious. The move to place a belief system on top of a hierarchy under continual usurpation by humans is a predictable and expected reaction fromthose within any clergy. Deities are combined and upgraded to sit atop any philosophical structure where logical explanations replace the actions of the gods. When the movements and actions of the stars in the nights sky become predictable and measureable they cease to become the whims and responsibilties of the gods. The move to monotheism merely represents the ideals of priests and clergy to re-assert their own place as powerful authority figures within their own culture, the only other option being choosing a favourite from a patheon when the collective is affected by external threats.
Indeed persons such as Mohammed, who created Islam were influenced by the cultures and beliefs of the region where he lived. Mohammed clearly combined the Moon God Allah with the Jewish Yahweh to create Islam and acted as a one man show in order to gain control over large areas. The Quran, unlike the bible does not attempt to be a history book as by this point Mohammed was competing with greater numbers of writers, scholars and poets whose work was admired or despised by Mohammed in roughly equal numbers.
The problems with Islam start almost immediately with Muslims believing they are the children of Abraham based on the story that Abraham impregnated an Egyptian servant/slave named Hagar. But since Abraham didn't exist it is likely that Hagar didn't either. That said Hagar did endure a great deal of suffering with Sarah as her mistress and owner and so is a more sympathetic figure to spring board your religion off of.
Mohammed lived in a world surrounded by Jewish settlements hundreds of years of and so it should be no suprise that a great deal of reinvention and appropriation occurs.
The only difference is that for the majority of the Quran Mohammed is the only person who recieves any word from God at all. This is very odd as the exact same god is shown in older books and stories to have spoken to a variety of people across the spectrum from men and women to low and high born people. It is never made clear why God would choose Mohammed over the scores of better educated and more honourable individuals of the region such as the plethora of respected poets but what is clear is that God quickly becomes Mohammed's benefactor and no-one elses.
Mohammed benefits so personally from his relationship with Allah that even issues that might require some deep introspection are solved with convinient moments of clarity. When Mohammed covets his adopted son's wife, Mohammed is conviniently given the justification to affect a divorce and the morality to pursue her. Why an almighty god would be remotely interested in the sexual wantoness of Mohammed is at direct odds with the supreme majesty alluded to by Muslims. Allah is either an all powerful God not subject to the whims and wants of man or he is a being who creates the possibilties of morally questionable sexual trysts and who demands his share in earthly things created by himself.
That Allah stipulates his share of booty and captured goods shows that Mohammed's philosophy was more about his own creation of power than divinely received words from the heavens. Furthermore the Quran is chock-a-block with contradictions that range across all subjects which Muslim apologists.
According to the Quran man was created by; congealed blood, clay, dust, nothing and a drop of sperm. The first Muslim was Abraham, Moses, Mohammed or Jacob. The consumption of wine is an abomination yet promised in heaven and Allah both does and does not forgiv those who worship false gods.
The lack of consensus on many issues in the Quran is very odd in the face of statements which assert that the Quran is perfection or similar seeing as many statements later have polar opposites delievered with the same authority. The changeablility of ideals and beliedfs more or less mirrors the role that Mohammed himself played in the creation of his own religion. People are directed to act for his temporal benefit, he achieves great wealth and power and individuals are manipulated in situations where ultimately he benefits more than the Allah himself. Many of the stories revolve so heavily around Mohammed that without Mohammed, Allah himself might not exist.
The overriding theme of all three religions is that one way or the other they all fail the consistency test. Characters asserted to be real are usually undocumented and with more than one history, birthplaces are widespread and conflict with the real historic evidence that we have.
Creation myths and origin stories are blatantly lifted from previous extant civilizations with impunity and older great civilizations are relegated beneath fictional towns and cities.
Those of the religious persuasion might wonder why the towns and cities of antiquity are mostly pagan in origin and why hardly any time sensitive evidence from biblical times exists. It is because they never existed. Instead cultures worthy of respect that were superior in custom and beliefs such as the Egyptians were usurped or threatened from within. Christianity was a useful tool for the Roman Empire at a time of political, economic and military crisis that occured from the very real problem of Rome's continuing adoption of other peoples deities. Like the Jews and Ahkenaten elevating one god over the myriad of others was nothing more than a play for power of the morality and therefore the character of the empire. Controlling the character of an empire was just as important as controlling the economy, the military and the politics and none were more than a few degree of seperation from the other.
Islam had the great benefit of being the last major monotheistic religion and relies heavily on that position to both debunk Judaism and Christianity and exist as the final word of a god who had his final word twice already. Islam's essential rehash of Judaism with more rules, an established hell and the re-working of Jesus is once again a display of man reworking stories rather than receiving words from God.
History as it stands is not on the side of any religious bok out there no matter how much apologists try to bend it to make it fit their beliefs, they will always be stuck in a priori mode. To be fair no-one except the most militant of atheists has a problem with people having beliefs, it's just that they do not want to be beholden to the beliefs of others. On the other hand i would assert that they aren't 'your beliefs' because very few religious people 'come to believe' as opposed to being raised within a church. Anything that is remotely divine is denied to you in my opinion as you are merely accepting other peoples beliefs rather than forming your own.
I suppose i would prefer a more sophisicated construct that matched today's lifestyle and cultural continuum but on the whole religion still involves the usurpation of man's discoveries by precisely what those discoveries reject or disaprove.
You are delusional, my friend! Besides, because of religion the world is in a constant state of war and hate!
all religions are wrong christians are wrong one they havent been around that long hindi is the longest religion being around 3000 years and its based on spirits and recarnation spirits and ghosts are fact many including myself have encountered experiences with psychic, spiritual and ghost experiences i was bought up around chistian faith but then i questioned because one big lie of them all is jesus if he was real he would have been black or dark skinned especially going back all those years ago and where he was born yet we portray him as being white that in itself is a lye also the bible says that there is only one mediator between us and god and that is jesus yet all the religions christians and catholics have priests popes bishops etc that mediate between u and christ they are men nothing special yet we worship them because they control us, its mother nature that controls our universes and spirit all religions have bought nothing but war murder and depression i get enlightened when i meditate and get intune with nature like animals and there instincts we are the only animals that have made religions dogs and tigers and birds do not worship a god or religion so are they going to hell for not believeing no there not because that would be cruel christianity originated from catholics catholics originated from america the biggest greediest country in the world and behind these religions are the same greedy people that control and manipulate us when you find the truth there will be freedom just like the other animals we share this world with that are not controlled by religion im not atheist because there is a greater energy than us our planet is nothing compared to what else is out there i believe in the greater good and that humans should be free like the animals we share life with religion does not make you free and all those who are really religious with there beliefs thats fine but do not call others swines when myself have done research deeply on every aspect of religions you have been bought up with your ways and beliefs and taught what to believe my free spirit has pondered everything and is still pondering because my spirit is free it is not controlled by man yet communicates with spirits and is intune with instincts and nature of which was here before man x
The Holy Christian Bible is the word of God. That is proof right there that God exists because he wrote that book. You only have to read it to realise that God created the bible so that man could have a celestial manual on how to live life and a map of our universal history and future. Without the bible, the world would be in constant war and hate. Atheists do not believe in God or the bible, they are idiots and swine.
Jesus existed asnight isday.The Turin shroud andBible is prove that he existed andd theBible isthe actual word of God.
OMG….can pronounce the word "God" ?
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LOL you didn't prove anything in this "study" just your opinion on religion. There are many artifacts and findings that religion is accurate, maybe you should study more. Here's a test for you…go buy a wiji board and summon demons up trust me you'll believe in afterlife after that you ignorant pig. Another thing, with scientists they are thinking and studying with a human aspect for life not a spiritual one. Of course you're not going to understand religious things because God didnt intend us to view them from a plain human mind that's why there's the saying "filled with the Holy ghost" reading His word gives you a better understanding of what He was trying to get across. Once humans stop reading the Bible in literal meanings then maybe you'd actually get the words. I've witnessed God in my life many times, He's performed alot of miracles on my behalf and there's no other explanation how I'd be so blessed unless it were God. Athiests are just mad because God is like a parent figure and as humans we're held accountable for our wrong doing and rebellion, some people don't want to feel they have to live their life accordingly and in a "box" they also don't like the feeling of having to possibly suffer consequences of their actions so they "do what thou wilt" like the satanists believe in. Religion will always be argued, denied, which one is true which one isn't until the day Jesus returns and shows the real truth. "EVERY knee shall bow" if you don't acknowledge Him now you WILL. Just know…no matter how much you may HATE religion, God, He still loves you and gives you plenty of opportunities each day to accept Him whether you realize it or not! I don't see how people believe in science to a certain extent anyways…they say we came from monkeys, fish, evolution idk clearly something had to make those creatures as well LOL. Reason why we're so closely related to other creatures because we all came from the same creator DUH haha. And one last thing your article states you did a study for 5 years and found your conclusions…not sure how you came up with 100% accuracy within 5 years when there are REAL, SMART, EDUCATED theologists that have been studying religion for hundreds and thousands of years…there will never be PROOF on earth because God wants us to have FAITH; believing in something we cannot see is ultimate faith. I don't need proof in order to love Him, I just read His Word that he wrote in the Bible himself and that's how I feel close to Him. the path of destruction is broad and easy to follow but the gates of Heaven are on a narrow road. God bless your life I hope you find your way.
I'm only gonna say that who ever wrote this article has a huge hate towards religion and needs to overcome his own mental problems and overcome the fear of death. Let other people believe whatever they want to believe and choose your own path.
In Saudi Arabia, all citizens are reqeirud to be Muslims, and the public practice of other religions is forbidden. Private practice of other religions is sometimes allowed and sometimes persecuted; there is no law protecting even this.Iran is officially a Twelver Shiite state. Some other religions (Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism) are permitted, but are not allowed to proselytize; and they are sometimes persecuted even if they don't. The Bahai faith is not allowed at all. Sunni Muslims are subject to some restrictions also.In China, all religious organizations have to be authorized by the government. This has given rise to conflict when the government appoints religious leaders different from what the religion itself chooses. There are state-appointed Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Taoist, and Muslim leaders. These are not always approved by the religious organizations outside of China. Those who practice religion outside these state-approved organizations are subject to severe persecution.In Turkey, since the secularization by Ataturk in the early 20th century, the government permits all religions but keeps them all under close surveillance. Special religious clothing (the veil, the fez) is not permitted to be worn in public. Turkey is predominantly Muslim, and there is some prejudice against other religions.In North Korea, virtually no religious practice is allowed except a limited amount by foreigners. Worship is considered a political offense.Cuba was for years officially atheist, and religious practice was seriously discouraged, with some persecution. But now religious people are even allowed to join the Communist Party. The government is secular rather than atheist, and religious practice is pretty much free.These are a few varied examples of governments which have restricted religious practice. In our time, the States that restrict religious freedom are mostly Muslim or Atheist.I can't think of any other belief system that does this in modern times.Religion is the source of meaning and values for many people, and restricting it restricts the growth of the human soul. In countries where a religion is imposed, it loses some of its growth potential. In countries where religion is not restricted or mandated by the government, it flourishes and leads to better values and ways of life.
Researcher, What makes u believe the current copies of holy books are the exact ones that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed brought to humans. How if God has done his job sending us perfect people with perfect books, but we (humans) has made changes in his revelations till they got full of contradictions?
May Jesus forgive all these scientists..
The worst part about religious indoctrination is that it is generational. What I mean is there are literally centuries of brainwashing and customs to break through. These people are so brainwashed that it may take centuries more to decontaminate them. My gues sis that if it came down to it they would rather take the bullet to the head than accept their religion was bogus.
I just awoke from a 25 year MORMON / Christian fantasy and im pretty pissed, but more than angry im determined to prove what i can do as a human being with no so called divine instruction and restrictions.
The sooner the better we wakeup and realise that no amount of praying is going to make things better.
We are alone, but we are powerful creatures that have the ability to be amazing, if we just come together and work for the common good of one almighty superior progressive intelligent empire – things are going to be SO GOOD.
* also, we shouldnt feel we need to be good " or else "
We should want to be good and moral, because being good comes with so many rewards right here and right now.
being good is progressive, its peaceful, its joyful…. i dont need religion to teach me this, i dont need to be scared of a fantastical diety to want to do this, i dont need to be rewarded with heaven, or bliss, or 70 virgins when i die for me to want to do good in this world.
This “study” plumbs depths of ignorance never before explored in the annals of mankind. Where to start? An appropriate point might be an analysis of the mish-mash made of the conception of time in modern science. A useful finish might be an analysis of the mystical concept of God as the Timeless One.
Huh? Neither the bible nor Christianity nor any other religion is now or ever was an 'encoded science' (whatevercthat is suppsosed to mean) that somehow became 'corrupted'. There is not now nor was there ever any astronomy or human physiology on the bible; it was was written by ignorant, superstitious, pere-scientific goat herders and it shows. The bible is precisely as crazy as it seems. It does have lots of astrology and other unscientific, nonsensical ideas in it however, such as the notion of a 'firmament'.
I see what Mohamed is saying. Mo is NOT saying who the books were written by, but he is stating a fact in saying there is no scientific evidence presented in the article and the title is misleading. If we (meaning me) as atheists attemp to present evidence, we should do just that, present evidence, not cunjecture, and certainly not a misleading headline that rallies the troops (humanist, atheist, agnostic, etc.) We (meaning me) (humanist, atheist, agnostic, etc.) should NOT play the same gotcha game as the "faithers" our job is to present evidence using the scientific methhod. Leave emotion out and let logic ring!
The religious books only don't make sense when are treated as such. Because they're not. The bible, for example, is the less religious book in the world! It's astrology, astronomy and human physiology been mythologized. The religion and it's institution: the church are criminals about turn what was once a encoded science into a literal nonsense in order to gain control over the primitive and superstitious minds. The bible is a victim – as just as all the empty headed church goers and fanatics out there.
Shallow analysis of religion here (and lame attempt at humor). Religion isn't about control, it's about mortality. Death makes life a surreal tragedy at base, a fact we live with constantly but never want to accept. And it's not the 'mystery' of death that fucks with our heads, but rather what we know about it that does – namely – that it is the extinguishment of our awareness. The main difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist acknowledges these hard truths openly whereas the theist denies them, first and foremost to themselves. I've never observed any believer consistently act as though they REALLY thought there was a tri-O God observing them and an afterlife to come. When they're loved ones die, they mourn them like someone who knows they're gone forever, not like some one who they really believe has 'gone on to a better place' where they will eventually reunite.
It's a pretty neat trick to be able to convince yourself you will live forever. Humans are so fucked up.
Why would anyone bother to publish a scientific study of what is so obviously true. What's next? Water is wet?
This is nonsense, everyday thousands of people realised they don't believe in their "God" anymore, and yet they're not disoriented, they still have values, they don't become angry. I believe there won't be any revolution and religion will always exist in a way or another even if there is nothing rational in it.
Heii..how about u make some research about Islam. Im sure your answer all gonna be there.
Well, Man created the language the books were written in. "God" did not.
For you see if "God" were real, why would He create books of religious beliefs that contradict one another?
hoo…yet, u don't know the a answer. Read something about the following: big-bang, artificial-life, DNA , evolution, artificial amino acid …
there's a new "religion" its called humanism!
come on people, religion isnt stoping anyone for doing wrong, religion is stimulating people for hate!!
Religion is against human instinct, with religion we forget who and what we really are!
Where is the scientific proof here that all religious books were written by man?!! That’s what I'm saying..Scientific research and scientific methodology has nothing to do with this article with its misleading title..It's merely a philosophical position has already been adopted by some people long time ago..There are nothing about any research conducted to support this claim.
I think what the scientists are saying is that if a religious book is written by a man, it can't be the word of god because it was written by a human being. i think that pretty much sums it all up…i could be wrong tho..lol
You call this crap a "Scientific proof" ? I found nothing to do with Science in it..This is not more than several-centuries-old philosophical argument poorly and naively portrayed as "Scientific discovery"..What was the test? the data collected? the data Interpreted?!
I come from a country where we say: If Religion didn't exist ; we would have invented something that looks like it" you may be right but people will live in universal disorder and unorganized world if there were no " CONTROL SYSTEMS" …If people didn't fear “GOD” , killing and stealing would be a daily normal activity….for example.
He who invented religion is smart somehow he succeeded to control for thousands of years as you said- the entire surrounding!!
Lara Haddad from Lebanon; it is A small country but we are smart people.
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Scientits can explain physical phenomenons up to certian point beyond which they have no explanation. Einstein has been quoted to say "I wish I knew how GOD thiks", which says it all.
Oh please, anyone can easily practice science. It's actually pretty simple, and only requires a few steps. You are being disingenuous.
I guess the last paragraph explain the wisest advise for those have long personal or collective belief. Remedy is difficult in such cases but they may help sane societies to discover more of our cultural diseases.
It is so very sad to see how many people in the world are still suffering from their religous delusions. These "worshipers," are the victims of mind control, just the same as the tyrants of Cambodia and North Korea would deploy today. They are helpless to know the truth because they have been brainwashed for their entire lives, as have their parents, their siblings, their neighbors, and co-workers. Whole communities in complete denial of facts, jumping up and down, clapping their hands, singing praises, and glorfying no one but an imagination. They have self-manipulated their brain chemistry and become "worship junkies." Thankfully modern technology, and tools like the internet, will champion the distribution of factual history, and ultimately be the savior of them all. It may take a couple more generations to free the worshipers, and millions of worshipers will go to their graves still beleiving in their god(s) and messiahs, but it won't be long now until the world will finally have their eyes open, because the truth was there here whole time. Bibles are bullshit… "FATHER, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME," are the words of a dying Jesus man who has just realized that he wasted his entire life acting a fool and god doesn't care about him at all. If you worship Jesus Christ, you will die the same way as Jesus Christ, crying like a big baby because there is no god you can prove at all ~
And so all of humanity hailed in the new priest and new god. Science and the scientist. Only through science will you learn the truth. (unless of course 100C has nothing to do with love) And the scientist is your only Shepard. (The only one who can decipher gods laws) Its all a power play. Who do you trust? Why? So this author isnt just trying to make money and a name for himself?(now whose delusional) The authors arguments are even largely semantic and not scientific at all.
I have lifted a passage from the Bible that is spoken by some men who where dead set against the followers of Jesus as well. They were trying their best to stamp out this growing fellowship. Take specific note of the last two sentences:
ACTS 5,34:
" But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
Wise words.
2000 years later and you guys are still at it! I submit that better than you have tried, and miserably failed, in your "fight against God"!
"Seek ye the truth ?"
Mother Theresa had.
You also willing to devote your life to seek the truth ?
In the spiritual world and codes, it is believed that once you know the truth, you are not allowed to dis-vow. If you wish to, most likely you would be "set-up" and death in the hands of others too. But in such a scenario, the rhetoric and glorification would mostly likely be "dying for others sins too !"
So how can you breath and think ? Can you answer that ? Who made you ? You Sun of a beach. Answer this question first Dr Sanreso.
Come in the right path, in the true path.. Or are buying fuel to burn yourself in the hell.
@benjamin It's good that you have doubts. I've never been a Christian or religious, but for a few years have been researching Christianity and the Bible. It seems to me that either Jesuss didn't exist and The Church invented the myth or that if Jesus did exist he was a demented fool.
Claiming to be the Son of God would seem to be the claim of an idiot, especually when the god he was claiming to be the son of was a god invented by Edomite Bedouins.
Obviously most Jews(who invented the religion of Judaism and owned the Old Testament) didn;t belive the prattlings of an over zealous prophet/street preacher and are STILL waiting for their Messiah.
The Christian god required meetings of 200 men to decide what/who/ the essence of god was and that he was indeed a three-headed, 6 legged god.
Any real god wouldn't require mere humans to decide who/what he/she/it was!
Good luck with your non-belief. It's a good state to be in.
When the European invaded, pillaged and robbed the the continent of Afrika and stole the Admonitions of the Maat, it was then he took what he later turned into utter nonsense the things that were not of him. Everywhere he goes, he has a tendency to kill everything.
@Zeeea
You can't find which book in christianity is real, and it's true, they have so many holes. You can only find answers to all of your questions perfectly, with regards to religion, in ISLAM.
At last …an article I can applaud! Ive researched the biblical scriptures for years and found they are full of holes and cannot be the word og God …so its refreshing to read the truth for once :o) Keep up the good work and lets hope the delusional get a grip asap …for everyones sake …
Well Most religions have texts they assume are from an all god being. from Hindi to the Abraham religions (Islam, Jewdiesm, Christian) The only one that seems to shy away from that is Buddhism, but even Buddha himself did not call it a religion so much as a philosophy.
I do not believe in any god or gods period. I still don't see how of all evidence that science has produce over decades and the prove of life. that religious folks will still have closed mind.
I am always encouraged when reading these comments by just how many 'thumbs down' there are for the god-botherers. The tide is turning guys, the truth is out, it's official – you're all nutters!
belive in god& following the books leads to a successful and peaceful life. actually its not by miracle bt it says discipline of life. only a disciplined person can reach the golden goals. ya there are some evils in it but if we filter the goods it matters .thus humans called civilised. let it b any religion. take my words those who dnt believe god, 1s u have to.
Oh and for the record, God doesn't burn anyone in H3ll. The Bible clearly states from dust you came and to dust you shall return. When you die you go back to dirt. Plain and simple folks. Do you think when Adam and Eve died they were rewarded for disobeying? No they just ceased to exist they did not go to heaven and God did not tell them they were going to burn in H3ll. Same with us, if everyone died and either went to Heaven or H3ll then there would be no need for a resurrection now would there, because everyone would already be somewhere else. There will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous the righteous to everlasting life and the unrighteous to judgment. In this life we are going to determine how we are viewed by our Creator so that when his judgment comes upon this Earth we may make it through. There will be people that make it through Armageddon making a class of people that never had to die. Kinda like in Noah's day when everything else was destroyed only Noah and his family were saved. I'm hoping I will be one of those that never had to die. That would be Awesome. I hope you all can make it too.
I would appreciate if the so-called scientists would prefice their findings with "Judeo-Christian" religions. Not all religions claim to have their scriptures coming from a higher power or God.
Humans did not always use such high level abstraction as is required of written language. And it is from time prior to such use, to a transition need, due population growth, leading to higher level abstraction use. However, this new level of abstraction use also lead to the discovery and use of abstraction deceptively to gain real value without real value exchange.
During the transition from a natural animal instinct level of communication (i.e. birds fly north and south seasonal in thousand mile flights to same locations, crabs move inland before hurricanes influence at locations if hitting land, etc..)….. humans experienced disconnection from natural influences they were used to, a crossover leading to hallucination in terms of higher level abstractions effort to explain natural instinct level communication. And this became the basis of what extrapolated into religions.
Intentional wrongful use of the tool of abstraction — word equals meaning as defined by those who use it as intended correctly having beneficial advancing communication enabling vs. those who use same abstractions to deceive, to lie, to extract unearned value from others) has expanded leading to another social stress point breakdown in communication needs.
This time the solution will be found not in abstraction but outside of abstraction, viewing the higher level abstraction tool for what it really is……. Just a tool, intended to be used correctly.
for more – https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abstraction-Physics-101/170311386325230
I believe that there is a God
– That does does not make it true.
I come from a line of evangelists
– and you are just carrying on family tradition without giving it some critical thought.
and have had 2 family members who God showed Heaven to and 1 who he showed Hell to
– and how has this been proven? have they members come back to life with pics/videos?
Second when you think about all the beauty in this world and how science says that we all evolved from one cell, it is extremely impossible
– It's obvious that you have absolutely no understanding of the ToE and yet you blindly accept that god made us all from dust?
I suggest you watch the documentary 'The Case for Christ'
– I have and it's complete tosh and christian propaganda. I suggest you get yourself an education and not from religious based websites.'
this guy was an atheist and set out to prove to his Christian wife and her family that they were nuts because no creator existed. BUT what happened is he ended up proving to himself that God did exist.
– if he were truly an atheist than his atheism was extremely weak or in this case he said he was an atheist for the sake of making a sorry doc.
The Christian religion is full of good values such as "do unto others as you would have others do unto you", "Love your enimies, do good to them who despitefully use you", "Love one another as you love yourselves
– i am an atheist and i don't need the fear of god or your shallow religion to be a good person. I do good out of respect for my fellow man and that we all have to share this comunity.
what if you lived your life as a Christian, full of faith and giving all your love to God then died and found that there was nothing? What then? What harm would have been done? Now look at things from the other side. What if you throw in the towel and say that God doesn't exist, a savior is impossible, we all evolved. BUT then you died and found out you were wrong?
– ahhh, it is truly shameful that people still use the outdated Pascals Wager argument these days. Your statement here is a basically hedging a bet. Also, please stop insulting evolution until you can come up with proof of creation that will stand up to scientific scrutiny. Evolution has pretty much been proven and to think otherwise is complete intellectual dishonesty. Change over time is a fact.
Just saying, that while you are taking time off from "religion", take that time to do research and search your heart.
– and just how do i do research with my heart? It's nothing but an organ
Please don't use the name Albanian, because we had suffered for more than 1000 years because of religion.
The religion of Albanians is Albanianism, so when you talk with the name of Albania, please don't talk about religion.
P.S
That what you said is bullshit.
Thank you guys for making up my mind. You all are so so so stupid. I want nothing to do with you idiots. Goodby Christians. I'd rather be doing my own thing and find my own spiritual peace I don't need your hocus pocus brainwashed BS.
See yalls latah!!!!
Add two wrongs don't make a right to the golden rule and you've got all you need..
Firstly, to all of you who do believe in god… well, I'm speaking to you now. Yep, it's me. God. Or Godo to my friends. And it's about time you stopped believing in me, and found your own way in the world. You see I gave you free choice and personal responsibility so that you could do what you like, as long as you take responsibility for it. So stop blaming me for all your problems, and thinking I'm going to fix them. I'm not. I'm off on holiday to Thailand to play with the ladyboys. So you are going to have to grow up and deal with reality all on your own.
And yes, evolution is true. How else did you get here? Creation? Are you thick? You have mountains of evidence – literally mountains. Mountains that are hundreds of millions of years old. And dinosaur fossils. Don't you think if the bible was literally true, somebody mighta mentioned the great big fecking dinosaurs??? "And Moses parted the sea… and lo… holy smokes, there was a brontosaurus blocking the way!" I mean, how could you write a "history" of the world, and leave out the bleeding dinosaurs???
So that's it. I'm now retired from the deity business. Happy camping. And please stop making all those wars. All the smoke from those bombs really gets in my eyes and I hate seeing children getting blown to pieces. It's depressing.
Yours,
God.
haha…then pls say this about Quran xD…i would wreally like to hear this from you…Quran tells us about bing band (1400 years ago) about the metal that is not createt on earth about the land in this earth about oil apsolutly about everything (sorry about my english)
I once met a man that said that beleieving in God was mans way of being lazy, that he would just pray for gos to do his work instead of getting off his butt and doing it hisself. I truely could not beleive what came out of his mouth.
It's time to kick-out all religion from our socity. LOLzzzzzzzzzzz
I believe that there is a God. I come from a line of evangelists and have had 2 family members who God showed Heaven to and 1 who he showed Hell to. Second when you think about all the beauty in this world and how science says that we all evolved from one cell, it is extremely impossible. I suggest you watch the documentary "The Case for Christ". This guy was an athiest and set out to prove to his Christian wife and her family that they were nuts because no creator existed. BUT what happened is he ended up proving to himself that God did exist. You can also think of things this way. The Christian religion is full of good values such as "do unto others as you would have others do unto you", "Love your enimies, do good to them who despitefully use you", "Love one another as you love yourselves". How is any of this bad advice? What if you lived your life as a Christian, full of faith and giving all your love to God then died and found that there was nothing? What then? What harm would have been done? Now look at things from the other side. What if you throw in the towel and say that God doesn't exist, a savior is impossible, we all evolved. BUT then you died and found out you were wrong? Which has the greater consequence? Just saying, that while you are taking time off from "religion", take that time to do research and search your heart.
What would replace religion? How about the "Golden Rule": do unto others as ye would have them do to you… very simple, yet all encompassing. This would eliminate cheating, murder, torture, stealing, lying….etc…..
read: Quran online THERE IS THRUE
is there any reference to this, or are you just making stuff up!!! Until you provide any reference for this article then there is no point in reading! I'm an atheist and I believe that all religious text books are man made from the same reasons you wrote about here, but this article states that "scientists have proven" so I would like to have some reference to this claim.
you damn right…it was always and everything, about control….and only control….
For Benjamin,
I can save you from the clutches of Lucifer who has deceived you. Please reply to this post and tell me where you live so I can come around and convince you about Jesus.
Some are puzzled to read in the newspapers, "Lightning strikes statue of jesus" in Ohio, USA in 2010, and reduced to…..
Any curses/ condemnations or verses to substantiate ?
What about to instill fear ?
Just search the internet as indicated.
Some seems to borne the "bourne identity".
Living in the fourth dimension and on our way to the fifth for those who are ready. The rest will leave their physical bodies and rejoin the collective souls to decide.
yOU will burn in hell for renouncing Jesus and God. I would try to save you but you sound too far gone.
I'm Christian but i am doubting the truth of it all. I have always thought Jesus existed and he performed miracles and was the Messiah. He as the Son of God bestowed great glory on us by sacrificing himself for us. I just think it could be a myth though because it's all so ridiculous I mean he walked on water and he fed the 5000 and he cured illnesses. It's just not possible in the realms of science or physics. Was he a con man or a composite character 'sun god' from many different cultures??? The Bible was written hundreds of years after the supposed death of Jesus and the Bible is just so crazy, they talk of demons jumping around, great floods and some guy building a big boat (stolen from Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh) I read this article today and it just clicked with me. God don't write on a piece of paper and any man who claims he is speaking or writing from God I'm afraid is a nutter, a schizo. I just need time away from religion and I'm not going to by suppressed by anymore crazy bible brainwashing. I renounce the christian church today. I renounce the fictional bible. Begone and leave us you tool of man.
I just want to make it clear that the religious books are not written in human wisdom its all by the wise and vision of God, Almighty can use any individual to represent himself. Believe in almighty for if there is Birth there will be death, think about life after death.I am not saying about any particular religion for God is one only people pronounce his holy name in different way.